in vinculis etiam audax ([info]misia) wrote,
@ 2006-01-09 07:11:00
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Here and there, a handful of folks whose journals I read regularly have begun to worry about the possibility of pandemic influenza. Certainly the news media have been doing their part to encourage this, documenting every last jot and tiddle of each and every H5N1 infection around the world.

For my part, I don't listen to too much that the news says about it. Instead, I do research. Because influenza epidemics can be deadly serious and hell if I'm going to sit still and get my medical information from the news media, honestly.

First of all, a few things that people should know about zoonoses and don't: a zoonosis is any disease that human beings contract from animal contact. That's all. They're revoltingly common. There are hundreds of thousands of cases of zoonoses in the US every year. Don't get your knickers in a wad because someone uses a word you don't know, like "zoonosis," and it sounds scary. Just know what it is, and know that as a phenomenon, zoonosis itself is really very common and very much not something to get excited about.

For example, a list of things you can catch from your cat (or at least that people have been documented as having caught from domestic house cat contact)! Whee!
* Afipia felis
* Anthrax
* Bartonella (Rochalimaea) henselae
* Bergeyella (Weeksella) zoohelcum
* Brucella suis
* Campylobacteriosis
* Capnocytophaga canimorsus
* CDC group NO-1
* Chlamydia psittaci (feline strain)
* Cowpox
* Cutaneous larva migrans
* Dermatophytosis
* Dipylidium caninum
* Leptospirosis
* Neisseria canis
* Pasteurella multocida
* Plague
* Poxvirus
* Q-fever
* Rabies
* Rickettsia felis
* Salmonellosis
* Scabies
* Sporothrix schenckii
* Trichinosis
* Toxoplasmosis
* Visceral larva migrans
* Yersinia pseudotuberculosis


So. With that out of the way, here's what I have found to be relevant information about dealing with virulent type A influenza viruses such as H5N1 -- the ones that have a propensity to cause epidemics.

Getting a flu shot will help reduce your risk of getting other types of flu. It will not reduce your risk of contracting H5N1, because the standard flu shot is not a vaccine for H5N1 (for the simple reason that there isn't a human-to-human transmissible form of H5N1 for which a vaccine could be created, at this point). But a flu shot can help keep you from getting regular old run-of-the-mill flu strains, which helps keep you more generally healthy. Also, a flu shot could help keep you from getting infected by a second influenza strain on top of H5N1 if you did happen to contract H5N1. So you might want to get a flu shot.

Don't bother spending the money to buy in-home influenza testing kits. They're expensive as hell, must be administered/performed correctly, and frankly, I don't know how good at performing such a test I would personally be if I were down for the count with fever and chills. In any event, the only thing they're really going to tell you is whether the viral strain is A-type (the most likely to be virulent) or C-type (a less virulent virus). My advice? If you've got the flu or think you might, try not to expose other people to it at all, which will render the question of virulence less important.

To that end, common courtesy and a little common sense will help you reduce both your propensity to expose other people to flu viruses (and any others you may be carrying around with you) and to be exposed to the viruses other people are carrying around.

-- cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, preferably with a tissue in-hand that can be thrown away
-- wash your hands. Early and often is the key. Carrying around a little bottle of hand sanitizer goo isn't a bad idea either, especially if you use public transit, public bathrooms, take public elevators/staircases where you're likely to be putting your hands in places where folks have just touched their faces are likely to put their hands, etc.
-- (edited to add, thanks to a commenter who mentioned it -- I should've thought to add it) If you have occasion to handle a dead bird, use gloves/plastic bags and dispose of the gloves afterward; consider strongly using a shovel or sticks or other things so that you can keep your distance, since you do not necessarily know what the animal died of or what it might be carrying.
-- wear a face mask when you're out in public or on public transit, especially if you're feeling particularly twitchy about flu risk or have a crapped-out immune system or both. It's no panacaea, but it can help keep you from inhaling other folks' microdroplets, which is no bad thing.
--and here's the kicker, folks: if you get sick, STAY HOME. I know, I know, there are a jillion reasons that people don't like to do this, but really, quarantine is one of the best ways not to give whatever you've got to other people.


So what do you do if you get sick anyway? Well, hopefully you've planned ahead a little and built yourself a nice little flu kit so that you can treat yourself adequately in the comfort of your own home, with your own bed and blankies and CD collection and those nice soft fluffy comforting kittycats (who hopefully haven't managed to give you any of the diseases listed above, sweet little moggies).

A flu kit is going to be a little more extensive than what one might want to lay in for an average case of the flu. The idea here is that if there should be a genuine flu epidemic, hospitals are going to be overwhelmed pretty quickly with a) people who didn't prepare, b) people who got sick and are panicking, and c) people who have complications and are genuinely in need of hospital care.

NOTE: Influenza is a viral infection. Generally speaking, there isn't much a doctor can do to make it go away. Antibiotics will not help. Antivirals *can* help but how much help they can be is a subject of some debate. They won't keep you from getting sick, though they can lessen the duration and severity of a viral infection. Additionally, just as some microbes become antibiotic-resistant, viruses adapt to become antiviral-resistant; some strains of avian influenzas are already known to be resistant to antivirals. (How the "Intelligent Design" people reconcile this with the supposed nonexistence of evolution I do not know, but I bet the Flying Spaghetti Monster does.) Influenza generally can be treated at home, even quite bad cases, with about the same kinds of forces that could be brought to bear on it in a hospital. There are exceptions to this, but not as many as you might think.


Anyway. Flu kit. What you want to have in your flu kit are ample supplies, for each person in your household, of
1. pain and fever reducer of your choice -- ibuprofen is generally well-tolerated, while aspirin is more likely to cause stomach upset
2. decongestant (pseudoephedrine-based)
3. antihistamine (like Bendadryl -- in case you get some whacked-out allergic reaction while your immune system is in a tizzy)
4. cough suppressant
5. cough expectorant
6. long-keeping juices, clear soups/consommes
7. easily-digestible, easily-prepared, long-keeping staple foods (you'd be surprised how good Cream of Rice can taste)
8. bottled water
9. a basic clean-up kit for infectious spills/vomit, etc.: bleach, a few sponges, some small plastic bin liners, a roll or two of paper towels, and a small bucket (in fact, everything may fit inside the bucket, how convenient!)
10. plain old table salt (to mix with water to help keep your electrolytes up)
11. plain old table sugar (see above)
12. vitamin C in some readily-available form -- a jar of chewable vitamins is fine (see above)
13. some extra boxes of tissues
14. some extra rolls of toilet paper / loo paper / bog roll
15. a thermometer that you know how to use and read -- one that you can't is not going to be so useful to you. (Wee digital thermometers are easy to find, btw., and no mercury and glass waiting to break and so on.)
16. a ballpoint pen and a small notebook, for keeping track of vital signs and symptoms in case you need the reference
17. backup/reserve supplies of any medications you take on a regular basis, on the theory that you may be too ill to get to a pharmacy to get a refill when you need one; a great many disaster preparedness folks generally recommend that people keep a one-month backup supply of meds around anyway Just In Case
18. stomach-settlers of your choice: if you like Rolaids or Pepto-Bismol, great, but you might also think about things like dried peppermint (peppermint tea), candied or dried ginger, and dried catnip (catnip tea)
19. rubbing alcohol and gauze pads or cotton balls/cotton wool -- can be useful in reducing fevers
20. a copy of the Merck Manual of Medical Information (Home Edition) -- one of the single most useful books any household can own, can help you know the difference between, say, "just a cough" and pneumonia
21. a copy of Where There Is No Doctor: A Village Health Care Handbook -- an unbelievably useful basic diagnosis, treatment, and prevention handbook for common health care issues


Stick it all in a box or a milk crate or something and put it in a closet somewhere in the general vicinity of your bathroom/bedroom -- NOT in some dank corner of your basement or something, where it'll be hard and taxing to find it when you're not feeling well.

And there you go. It's not a cure. But it will set you up to take pretty darn good care of yourself if the shit hits the fan, and, God willing, to survive even a really nasty virulent flu so that you can help take care of other people.

In fact, while you're stocking your flu kit -- and remember that this is something you can do over the course of several weeks, just adding a few extra things to your shopping list each time, rather than needing to be something that happens all at once -- you might consider stocking a few EXTRA flu kits and keeping them in your home. If the shit really hits the fan with a major pandemic, having some extra supplies around is never going to be a bad thing.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of zoonoses? Don't forget to stock up on pet supplies. If you're too sick to get out of bed, you're going to be too sick to schlep to PetSmart for kitty litter or whatever it is. Get an extra case of cat food/dog food in cans and shove it in a closet or cupboard, and some backup kitty litter, and toss in an extra case or two (or more as needed) of bottled water for the furry members of your household. It might come in handy.

So don't fret too much. Just, y'know, think ahead.



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[info]halimede
2006-01-09 01:39 pm UTC (link)
Sambucol might be a useful addition. Sambucol was shown to reduce hemagglutination and inhibited replication of human influenza virus type A, type B and animal strains from swine and turkeys in cell cultures.

That's the lab stuff. The clinical stuff is interesting too: A significant improvement of the symptoms, including fever, was seen in 93.3% of the cases in the Sambucol treated group within 2 days. A complete cure was achieved within 2 to 3 days in nearly 90% of the Sambucol treated group and within at least 6 days in the placebo group. More info and sources here.

I personally find it to be very effective with regular flu. Black Elder (Sambucol is standardized extract of Sambucus Nigra) has a long history of medicinal use.

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[info]opadit
2006-01-09 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Personally I've found Sambuca to be very effective.

Oh, wait.

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(no subject) - [info]halimede, 2006-01-09 03:00 pm UTC
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[info]fidelioscabinet
2006-01-09 01:41 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for this piece of Great Good Sense. The more often this information is spread throughout the thinking portions of our world, the better off we all are. Many of the important steps to take are simple ones that don't require much training, just common sense and forethought--of the sort that we should probably start every cold and flu season with.

The one thing I'd add is what the CDC and local health departments have said in connection with West Nile Virus: avoid contact with sick or dead wild birds, as H5N1 has moved into wild bird populations. If you need to put a dead bird in the trash, wear gloves you can toss out, and consider using a shovel.


Anyone who'd like to further their understanding of the 1919 influenza epidemic and how it spread could do no better, I believe, than to read John Barry's Great Influenza, which makes pretty plain how great a part the movement of American troops in late World War I played in the spread of the epidemic. If you're sick, stay home.

Also, you've surely already seen this, so you know what the FSM is up to.

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[info]aitchellsee
2006-01-09 01:46 pm UTC (link)
Is there any way you can ETA the "description of what's behind the cut-line" so that the "contractable from kitty-cats" thing shows to readers who are looking at the whole page with comments? (in case they forget what it said above the cut or parachuted in somehow without seeing the "first" version?

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[info]misia
2006-01-09 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Done.

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[info]roane
2006-01-09 01:54 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for this. I literally started having apocalyptic dreams last night because of all the news scares. I realized while talking to someone over the weekend that I was starting to feel much the same way I did as a kid about the threat of nuclear war. Just an overarching dread that I felt helpless to do anything about. I needed a good piece of common sense. It helped a lot.

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[info]pagan_writes
2006-01-09 01:55 pm UTC (link)
Too right - the only other additions I make to my winter-kits are a bottle of Karvol or similar liquid decongestant that can be vaporised in hot water and inhaled to clear sinus congestion, and a jar of vaseline or a cheap lipsyl that can be used on chapped lips but also applied to protect the skin on the end of your nose from repeated rubbings with tissues...

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[info]oursin
2006-01-09 02:09 pm UTC (link)
And some sources on the subject, list compiled by a Clinical Sciences Librarian. UK-based but includes US and international links

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[info]misia
2006-01-09 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Oooh, thank you!

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[info]hugh_mannity
2006-01-09 02:10 pm UTC (link)
Don't bother with Tamiflu. It doesn't shorten the course of the disease significantly, it's expensive and it has side effects that can be worse than the flu itself.

I don't ever get flu shots. I'm not sure that they provide any real protection for anyone whose immune system isn't otherwise compromised.

I like Zinc for colds. Apparently it works by disrupting the rhinovirus' ability to reproduce. I suspect it would help with the flu too, for the same reason.

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[info]pthalogreen
2006-01-09 02:12 pm UTC (link)
I think what I have is just a nasty cold (it feels like flu, but i haven't acctually thrown anything up, but nothing's appetizing and the thought of food makes me nauseous so it might just be that i haven't eaten anything throw-up-able) and i have no way of telling if i have a fever and i'm not interested enough to go looking for a thermometer in a pharmacy. but i do have chills alternated with being too warm and can't focus on anything.)

there's nothing I would like to do more than quarentine myself and curl up and sleep and blow my nose all day long but the fact of the matter is I have a final tomorrow and another one on Friday and more finals next week and if I don't show up for them, I'll be taking them all in the first week of classes (first week of February) if the teachers are merciful or I'll be failing the semester.

I'd like to have a word with whoever developed a system that involves 6 weeks of finals.

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flu or cold?
[info]morgwyn
2006-01-22 05:25 am UTC (link)
I'm often not sure if my symptoms are cold or flu related. Usually, I only know I have the flu when I have visited my doctor's office(and paid more money than I wanted to for him and subsequently his prescriptions) and been diagnosed so. More often than not, I'm sure I have a cold, until it gets worse. When my symptoms worsen and don't go away(and odd things seep from nasal passages), I get a sneaking suspicion I really might be sick. Anytime I have gotten the flu as an adult, vomiting and diarrhea didn't come along with it as it did when I was a kid. So, from my personal experience, I've found that it's best to seek a doc's consultation if you have high fevers for more than a few days or any weird colored things from your nose pop out. These are not average cold symptoms. Good luck.

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[info]pthalogreen
2006-01-09 02:14 pm UTC (link)
oooh, Where There Is No Doctor, my parents took that to the Carribean back in the 80s. I grew up leafing through that thing.

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[info]molly_o
2006-01-09 02:31 pm UTC (link)
This is great, thanks!

(Also: I read something, can't remember where, that suggested sneezing into your *elbow* instead of your hand -- the idea being that you're less likely to turn around and put your elbow on a doorknob or a handrail or in someone else's hand.)

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[info]tamnonlinear
2006-01-09 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I heartily second this. People cough into their hands and then put their hands on everything. Besides which, your elbow is likely to have absorbent materials near it (that is, your sleeve) which will help prevent the spread of microdroplets, whereas one's hand isn't all that absorbent.

It's easy to retrain yourself to cough into your elbow instead. I've been doing it for years.

Mention it to other folks, start a meme!

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[info]janissa11
2006-01-09 02:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm of two minds on this. It's frustrating to work in an ER, esp. a peds ER, and see family after family coming in for viral infections. It'd be better for the kids to just stay at home, drink lots of fluids, and sleep, and for that reason it's good to say, Keep it reasonable, don't overreact.

At the very same time, our admittals for pneumonia have skyrocketed the past month and a half. Lots of flu in Texas, and lots of people -- kids and adults -- getting secondary infections, for which antibiotics ARE indicated.

The zoonotic infections ARE scary, and it's good to see level-headed counsel. Still, you gotta take it on an individual basis, like anything else. For one thing, know the difference between a cold and the flu. If your fever goes over 101, it probably isn't a cold; colds are low-grade temps. Pay attention to a cough. A dry hack is one thing; deep rattling coughs are something else.

There is a fine line, I think, between counseling caution, and paying close and smart attention to your own body. Yes, too many people overreact. But those aren't the people who worry me. It's the ones who underreact who scare ME. Those people who DO go to work sick, those people who ignore their symptoms or disguise them with OTC meds and push far past the point where they should. Those are the people who get ME sick. I resent it, and also worry about it.

Do I stay up nights thinking about another flu pandemic? Well, no. I do think about it. If and when it does happen, I'll be right there on the front lines. I pay attention to how many admissions we get from the ER, and what they're admitted for. It's a heavy flu season in Texas, and RSV is all over, as well. Flu may or may not be that serious, depending on the person and the type of infection, but I think everyone should remember that flu is NOT the same as a cold, that flu can turn quite serious, include bronchitis and/or pneumonia as not-uncommon secondary infections, and should not be downplayed TOO far. Don't overreact, but don't play the fool, either.

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[info]misia
2006-01-09 03:30 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, exactly. And that's why I counsel strongly that people buy and READ things like the Merck and Where There Is No Doctor. Knowing what to pay attention to and what you can safely let run its course can be critical.

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[info]opadit
2006-01-09 02:46 pm UTC (link)
As a not-so-closeted millennialist/survivalist/eschatologist who always keeps a month's worth of food and other groceries stored up (though I'm nervous that it isn't six months' worth), I heartily endorse your post.

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[info]cinema_babe
2006-01-09 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for this great guide. This is a lot of good information gathered in one place. Is it okay if I email this to a couple of 'Chicken Littles' I know?

I can't sing the praises of hand sanitizers enough. Although it is possible to over do it from what I understand, I use it after using public restrooms, public keyboards, etc. Since I began doing that a few years ago, the number and severity of my respiratory episodes (colds, flu and bronchitis) decreased.

Yeah, I know it's anecdotal, but it sure works for me.

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[info]misia
2006-01-09 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Is it okay if I email this to a couple of 'Chicken Littles' I know?

Sure, though it would be best if you can email a link, since I find that I have smart smart smart readers and they make excellent suggestions about things I don't nec'ly think to mention.

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[info]sagefemme11
2006-01-09 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Great post.
Highly inclusive.

It's all about hydration, folks.
Make sure you are peeing at least 4 times a day.

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[info]singingnettle
2006-01-09 07:02 pm UTC (link)
And make sure the water you're drinking includes sugar and salt. If you're dehydrating, you will be losing electrolytes.

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[info]hopita
2006-01-09 03:50 pm UTC (link)
I work in a food co-op, and every winter I have to suffer through the same thing: namely parent after parent whose children are sniffling and snuffling and wiping their grubby little hands all over everything in sight. I personally do not heart the idea of being ill, so I tend to be pretty vigilant in terms of using hand sanitizer and spraying and wiping down my counter after each of those snotty bundles of joy, but I know that not everyone takes such great pains.

Oh, and I thought "cat scratch fever" was lockjaw, AKA tetanus. Did it not make your list, or is it there under a more lengthy latin name?

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[info]misia
2006-01-09 03:55 pm UTC (link)
No, cat scratch fever is a Bartonella infection. (Bartonella henselae most commonly) Tetanus is Clostridium tetani. Different critter.

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[info]nagasvoice
2006-01-09 04:07 pm UTC (link)
Very useful info, thanks--also, gel hand sanitizer works by using alcohol, which does *not* kill viruses, so more important to use your other precautions.

NY times report on bird flu in Turkey. No reason to panic, it was happening, they just didn't know about it before.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/09/international/europe/09flu.html?th=&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1136822651-7HfbdONmV92OySu+lGMaBg

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[info]heavenscalyx
2006-01-09 04:07 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! Fabulous list. We need to start amassing this ourselves, especially after our bout with flu last March.

Three points:

Aspirin (or any other salicylate-containing medicines, like some forms of Alka-Seltzer) should perhaps be avoided in the kit if there are children in the household, as salicylate medications used to treat influenza (and other fever-inducing viral illnesses) increase the chance of someone developing Reye Syndrome (children are at particular risk, but teens and adults can get it too).

For those unable to obtain The Merck Manual in paper copy, it's online here.

How to tell the difference between influenza and a cold? Here's a quick comparison table to help. I can usually tell because I tend to get a cough first, and it's an ongoing, not very bronchial cough, that rapidly progresses to strong and nearly constant (bright flashy lights in the head oh yes). Heavy coughing in the early stage of the illness is a BIG RED FLAG that what you have may be influenza.

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[info]cuglas
2006-01-09 04:18 pm UTC (link)
I wandered over from a link in someone else's journal. Thanks for the book recommendations. They're great!

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[info]ulitave
2006-01-09 04:38 pm UTC (link)
in Central Texas, we get an odd ailment called cedar fever, an allergic reaction to cedar tree pollen which mimics flu symptoms. The cedar pollination season lasts two months (Late Dec-early Feb) and almost nothing, not even prescription antihistamines will mitigate the reaction.

I've found that Alka-Seltzer Plus (for colds and flu) can deal with the congestion, fever and slow down the coughs. I asked a doctor pal of mine why it worked and she said the ingredients in AS Plus are slightly different than most other OTC medications. That's what we stock nowadays.

As long as we're talking pandemics and emergencies, always remember that your water heater has 40-50 gallons of clean water. All water heaters have an emergency drain valve - you can usually attach a garden hose to it.

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[info]perigee
2006-01-09 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Now that is an awesome tip.

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[info]hopeyhopey
2006-01-09 04:58 pm UTC (link)
This may seem like a trivial detail, but feminine hygiene products should be included in your checklist, imho. I can think of little worse than having a serious illness and also getting my period, with no supplies in the house and no way to get more. Someone suggested this to me for my natural disaster preparedness kit -- living in both an earthquake and tsunami zone, it's something I've been working on, and of late I've simply been adding flu-related items to the same box. I recently purchased a bunch of gatorade and freeze-dried backpacking food on sale. Next on my list is a couple of cheap Nalgene bottles, which will be filled with tampons before going in the box.

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[info]opadit
2006-01-09 05:10 pm UTC (link)
feminine hygiene

Good point! Although I use hippie-dippie earth-mother cloth pads myself, I keep a pack of cheapo disposable maxis on hand. (Good for guests, too, if somebody's period comes unexpectedly.) Also, a Girl Scout secret I learned at age 10 is that they're good for stanching deep cuts.

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[info]museumfreak
2006-01-09 05:11 pm UTC (link)
Is there anything else you would suggest for a general use sick kit for people particularly prone to respiratory illness, and rashes/skin infections? About the only thing I'm not prone to, come to think of it, is stomach bugs.

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[info]perigee
2006-01-09 07:51 pm UTC (link)
It should be noted that I am prone to respiratory illness (chronic, severe asthma, currently medicinally controlled) and rashes (allergy-related), but no skin infections.

I'd probably add, for skin infections, some antibiotic ointment, possibly some antifungals (vaginal yeast infection cremes have worked for me in the past topically as well), and maybe more benadryl?

It's all of course dependent on your individual drug interactions.

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[info]glinda_w
2006-01-09 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for posting this. I was amazed to find that I have almost everything in the flu kit except the books. Since I'm living in one room with limited storage space, it's difficult to have more than the current month's supply of cat food and litter (not to mention trying to buy ahead while on welfare, but that ends soon, I just - finally! got my SSDI approval). Stocking up on prescriptions *cannot* be overemphasized - I can imagine myself in a disaster-evacuation scenario, no meds, no way of getting them for a couple of weeks or more = probably dead.

Anyway, on a somewhat lighter note: ...some strains of avian influenzas are already known to be resistant to antivirals. (How the "Intelligent Design" people reconcile this with the supposed nonexistence of evolution I do not know, but I bet the Flying Spaghetti Monster does.) There was a Doonesbury Sunday comic about this a couple/few weeks back. Unfortunately, they seem to require payment to search the archives, or I'd link to it.

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[info]nenya_kanadka
2006-01-18 10:28 am UTC (link)
I was amazed to find that I have almost everything in the flu kit except the books.

Yes, me too. At least in the household I'm living in now, I do--if I move I'll have to go shopping. But this really does relieve my mind and stave off panic.

Thanks, [info]misia--I'm going to spread this around, which may mean you get more comments in this already-long entry. Sorry about that!

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[info]faithhopetricks
2006-01-09 07:01 pm UTC (link)
I realized while talking to someone over the weekend that I was starting to feel much the same way I did as a kid about the threat of nuclear war. Just an overarching dread that I felt helpless to do anything about. I needed a good piece of common sense. It helped a lot

Amen, amen, amen. Thank you so much for posting this.

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[info]singingnettle
2006-01-09 07:28 pm UTC (link)
I also suggest having a respository of canned and boxed food, soap, bleach, laundry detergent, the afore-mentioned feminine hygiene products, toothpaste, and everything you need on a day-to-day basis. This doesn't have to be a massive shopping trip; you can buy one extra of whatever you use for a few shopping trips. You have to remember to use and replace the items in order to keep them fresh.

You know how grocery shelves get cleared out when the weather forecaster says a flurry might possibly land on one lawn three days from now? Imagine the cleaning-of-shelves if the media reports the discovery of human-to-human transmission of the virus. You might also want to avoid going shopping in order to avoid contagion, and there is also the possibility that stores will not be open for business for any of several reasons.

So if you can go shopping for a while in your own larder and avoid other folks' panic or germs, that might be a good thing. We personally are aiming for three months' worth, which is really not a whole lot more than we usually keep on hand of the nonperishables anyway.

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[info]misia
2006-01-09 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Yup, totally agreed. I was raised to keep a full larder and plenty of nonperishables on hand Just In Case. At any given time I could probably go two months, and maybe three, on what I had in the house if I needed to (assuming that water was readily available -- I don't always stockpile lots of bottled water). I'm sure that it would result in some kind of wacky meals at times, but I doubt anyone would be too picky in a real emergency.

So I don't fret *too* much about laying in extra food/household-running-supplies, but I do pay attention to making sure I know where they are and that they're relatively fresh. There have been times when I was glad I had them. I hope I never have to *depend* on them, but if I do, at least I know they're there.

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[info]jhames
2006-01-09 11:15 pm UTC (link)
I have the flu currently, although I plan to go back to the office tomorrow. I lost my voice Saturday, and I have been drinking Throat Coat like a fiend. Soup goes right through me, so the only thing I have been able to keep down is dairy. Seriously. Plain yoghurt, cheese pizza, anything to bind my stomach. This flu strain is hell, so of course I will gladly go to work tomorrow and share it with my coworkers. Yay!

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